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	<title>Comments on: Rule 5 Losses: odds of them coming back?</title>
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		<title>By: Todd Boss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Boss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 14:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have two, mutually exclusive thoughts on rule 5 protection:

1. I guess I just don&#039;t understand the point of open spots on a 40-man roster, nor do I really understand the National&#039;s management of theirs sometimes.  Why leave open spaces on the roster at all?  Is it really necessary to leave an open spot for some future FA signing?  How hard is it to designate someone if you need to sign someone else?  I dunno.  Also, sitting on the roster right now is Carlos Rivero, who has never played a game in the majors but has burned all three of his options and will have to be DFA&#039;d off the roster at the end of spring training ANYWAY.  Why is he possibly still on the roster at this point?  Is Corey Brown really getting picked up anywhere?  He already survived one assignment to AAA, why not another?  

2. On the flip side ... the requirements for a rule 5 draftee to stay with the team are so high (staying on an active 25-man roster for an entire season, no dl time allowed), that I sometimes wonder why we bother to protect anybody.  Most rule5 draftees seem to be AA guys who took 4-5 years to arrive at AA, and its no surprise when they get up to the majors and hit .200/have a 6.00 era. 

On Kobernus; yes totally agree that he&#039;s a spare part/low on the 2B depth chart.  But he&#039;s also a 2nd rounder with a pretty significant bonus attached to him.  Perhaps the Nats front office remembers their economic theory (specifically, the concept of a &quot;sunk cost&quot;) and doesn&#039;t mind letting a guy like him (or McGeary for that matter, who they spent a lot more on) move on, despite past bonus monies paid.  Rosenbaum seems like a gamble (same as leaving Brad Meyers unprotected), but a gamble that pays off.  BUT, it goes to my #1 point above; why let Rosenbaum get picked at all if you value him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have two, mutually exclusive thoughts on rule 5 protection:</p>
<p>1. I guess I just don&#8217;t understand the point of open spots on a 40-man roster, nor do I really understand the National&#8217;s management of theirs sometimes.  Why leave open spaces on the roster at all?  Is it really necessary to leave an open spot for some future FA signing?  How hard is it to designate someone if you need to sign someone else?  I dunno.  Also, sitting on the roster right now is Carlos Rivero, who has never played a game in the majors but has burned all three of his options and will have to be DFA&#8217;d off the roster at the end of spring training ANYWAY.  Why is he possibly still on the roster at this point?  Is Corey Brown really getting picked up anywhere?  He already survived one assignment to AAA, why not another?  </p>
<p>2. On the flip side &#8230; the requirements for a rule 5 draftee to stay with the team are so high (staying on an active 25-man roster for an entire season, no dl time allowed), that I sometimes wonder why we bother to protect anybody.  Most rule5 draftees seem to be AA guys who took 4-5 years to arrive at AA, and its no surprise when they get up to the majors and hit .200/have a 6.00 era. </p>
<p>On Kobernus; yes totally agree that he&#8217;s a spare part/low on the 2B depth chart.  But he&#8217;s also a 2nd rounder with a pretty significant bonus attached to him.  Perhaps the Nats front office remembers their economic theory (specifically, the concept of a &#8220;sunk cost&#8221;) and doesn&#8217;t mind letting a guy like him (or McGeary for that matter, who they spent a lot more on) move on, despite past bonus monies paid.  Rosenbaum seems like a gamble (same as leaving Brad Meyers unprotected), but a gamble that pays off.  BUT, it goes to my #1 point above; why let Rosenbaum get picked at all if you value him?</p>
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		<title>By: pdowdy83</title>
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		<dc:creator>pdowdy83</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 22:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t shocked the team didn&#039;t protect Kobernus.  Walters passed him on the depth chart and Espinosa and Lombardozzi are already in the majors.  Behind him are Martinson, Hague and recent draftees Renda and Perez.  The team is pretty stocked at guys that profile towards 2nd base.

Rosenbaum was a bit surprising they didn&#039;t protect him but I think he will be back by June.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t shocked the team didn&#8217;t protect Kobernus.  Walters passed him on the depth chart and Espinosa and Lombardozzi are already in the majors.  Behind him are Martinson, Hague and recent draftees Renda and Perez.  The team is pretty stocked at guys that profile towards 2nd base.</p>
<p>Rosenbaum was a bit surprising they didn&#8217;t protect him but I think he will be back by June.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Boss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Boss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 17:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed.  And I think while McGeary was at Stanford his roommate was none other than Drew Storen.  But to throw on his own, he had to drive to another baseball facility (believe it was at Santa Clara University).  

I don&#039;t think McGeary made a bad choice; if someone offers you life changing bonus money (in his case $1.8M) out of HS you really have to take it; you can always go back to college if your baseball career doesn&#039;t work out.  In McGeary&#039;s case, if he washes out of Boston&#039;s organization in a year or two he still has a stanford education to fall back on.  Not exactly the worst thing in the world.  It reminds me of the Billy Beane scenario; he was offered a full ride to Stanford, instead took the NY Mets 1st round bonus money.  In the movie that was played out as a poor decision (he &quot;made a decision based on money&quot; once, and never again as it was explained) but any baseball advisor would have told him to do the exact same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed.  And I think while McGeary was at Stanford his roommate was none other than Drew Storen.  But to throw on his own, he had to drive to another baseball facility (believe it was at Santa Clara University).  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think McGeary made a bad choice; if someone offers you life changing bonus money (in his case $1.8M) out of HS you really have to take it; you can always go back to college if your baseball career doesn&#8217;t work out.  In McGeary&#8217;s case, if he washes out of Boston&#8217;s organization in a year or two he still has a stanford education to fall back on.  Not exactly the worst thing in the world.  It reminds me of the Billy Beane scenario; he was offered a full ride to Stanford, instead took the NY Mets 1st round bonus money.  In the movie that was played out as a poor decision (he &#8220;made a decision based on money&#8221; once, and never again as it was explained) but any baseball advisor would have told him to do the exact same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Myrubberarm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myrubberarm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 15:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember McGeary got into Stanford on bball scholarship, but then signed with the Nats. Pissed by not being illegible to play for the school after recruiting him, Stanford&#039;s coach would not allow him to work out on school facilities in off season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember McGeary got into Stanford on bball scholarship, but then signed with the Nats. Pissed by not being illegible to play for the school after recruiting him, Stanford&#8217;s coach would not allow him to work out on school facilities in off season.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Boss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Boss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 22:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of cliches there John :-)  You sound like an old-school scout.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of cliches there John <img src='http://www.nationalsarmrace.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   You sound like an old-school scout.</p>
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		<title>By: John C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 21:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kobernus can run like the wind, but he doesn&#039;t hit or walk much. You can&#039;t coach speed, but you can&#039;t steal first either. Add his nonexistent power and you can see why the Nats were OK with risking him in the Rule 5 draft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kobernus can run like the wind, but he doesn&#8217;t hit or walk much. You can&#8217;t coach speed, but you can&#8217;t steal first either. Add his nonexistent power and you can see why the Nats were OK with risking him in the Rule 5 draft.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 21:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Usually these guys come back, but given that Detroit actually traded a player for Kobernus, instead of just the $50K, I have to believe they think they can use him. If nothing else, he can be used as a pinch runner, and Detroit is strong enough to perhaps carry a weak hitter for a year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usually these guys come back, but given that Detroit actually traded a player for Kobernus, instead of just the $50K, I have to believe they think they can use him. If nothing else, he can be used as a pinch runner, and Detroit is strong enough to perhaps carry a weak hitter for a year.</p>
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