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	<title>Comments on: Verducci effect for 2013 announced</title>
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	<description>&#34;... the reason you win or lose is darn near always the same - pitching.”  -- Earl Weaver</description>
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		<title>By: Todd Boss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Boss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 02:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a thought on mechanics: While i do believe that your core mechanics don&#039;t change at age 25 (you&#039;ve been throwing one way since you were a child, learned to pitch a certain way, threw thousands of pitches in your teens, etc), I do believe that you can slightly get out of rhythm.  For example, the golf pros that I know constantly study video of their swings because even pros get slightly out of whack and have to work themselves back on the range when noticing a slight alteration of their hands, their swing angle, how far back they&#039;re going, etc.  It has to be the same way with pitchers to a certain extent; you stride slightly shorter or longer, perhaps accounting for a slight strain or cramp, then you over compensate slightly with your arm angle, you fly open, pitches rise up or miss their spots ... and then you need an adjustment.  

As for injuries ... my dad has a theory that you can tell a lot about a pitcher by looking simply at his lower body usage.  Take Tom Seaver: drives through with his lower body, his &lt;a href=&quot;http://lehmansbaseball.wordpress.com/tag/back-leg-drive/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;right knee almost touching the ground&lt;/a&gt;.   Now compare to someone like Heath Bell, who &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/Fvv0voMUJ6e/Colorado+Rockies+v+San+Diego+Padres/lsqzto8kgL7/Heath+Bell&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;barely bends over when he releases&lt;/a&gt;.  All Arm.  Seaver didn&#039;t miss a start until he was 35, Bell&#039;s never had any arm issues.  So I guess who really knows, right?

The point I always make to people criticizing Verducci&#039;s &quot;rule of thumb&quot; is just that; it&#039;s a rule of thumb, not a statistical analysis.  But that usually falls on deaf ears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a thought on mechanics: While i do believe that your core mechanics don&#8217;t change at age 25 (you&#8217;ve been throwing one way since you were a child, learned to pitch a certain way, threw thousands of pitches in your teens, etc), I do believe that you can slightly get out of rhythm.  For example, the golf pros that I know constantly study video of their swings because even pros get slightly out of whack and have to work themselves back on the range when noticing a slight alteration of their hands, their swing angle, how far back they&#8217;re going, etc.  It has to be the same way with pitchers to a certain extent; you stride slightly shorter or longer, perhaps accounting for a slight strain or cramp, then you over compensate slightly with your arm angle, you fly open, pitches rise up or miss their spots &#8230; and then you need an adjustment.  </p>
<p>As for injuries &#8230; my dad has a theory that you can tell a lot about a pitcher by looking simply at his lower body usage.  Take Tom Seaver: drives through with his lower body, his <a href="http://lehmansbaseball.wordpress.com/tag/back-leg-drive/" rel="nofollow">right knee almost touching the ground</a>.   Now compare to someone like Heath Bell, who <a href="http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/Fvv0voMUJ6e/Colorado+Rockies+v+San+Diego+Padres/lsqzto8kgL7/Heath+Bell" rel="nofollow">barely bends over when he releases</a>.  All Arm.  Seaver didn&#8217;t miss a start until he was 35, Bell&#8217;s never had any arm issues.  So I guess who really knows, right?</p>
<p>The point I always make to people criticizing Verducci&#8217;s &#8220;rule of thumb&#8221; is just that; it&#8217;s a rule of thumb, not a statistical analysis.  But that usually falls on deaf ears.</p>
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		<title>By: Wally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 21:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd - it is so hard to know, candidly, so I&#039;ll give my two cents but acknowledge that I am essentially just agreeing with what you said.   I do not think the theory, as defined by Verducci as a 30 inning increase before age 25, is accurate because it lumps everyone together, when in fact each of these guys has a different set of circumstances applicable to them.   That is why his theory fails to perform well against raw stats.

But I think it is a decent rule of thumb to guide us, if for no other reason than high usage can lead to mechanics breaking down, and then coupled with Verducci&#039;s additional knowledge of baseball, similar to what Gladwell discussed in Blink, his instincts help him identify the guys really at risk, which is why his personal list is very high.

My gut instinct is that biomechanics has a much bigger role than generally credited, and that injuries (assuming solid original mechanics) result from fatigue or stress altering mechanics in unusual ways, not sheer usage as Verducci says.   But how they can predict that, I don&#039;t know.   I read one time that the Rays have people monitoring live camera feeds on all their pitchers during every game (minors or majors) and feed reports directly to to Maddon and the minor league managers in real time when they notice any alteration in a pitchers mechanics, and then they pull them right away.  It sounds a little bit like an urban myth, but I think that kind of thing may be the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd &#8211; it is so hard to know, candidly, so I&#8217;ll give my two cents but acknowledge that I am essentially just agreeing with what you said.   I do not think the theory, as defined by Verducci as a 30 inning increase before age 25, is accurate because it lumps everyone together, when in fact each of these guys has a different set of circumstances applicable to them.   That is why his theory fails to perform well against raw stats.</p>
<p>But I think it is a decent rule of thumb to guide us, if for no other reason than high usage can lead to mechanics breaking down, and then coupled with Verducci&#8217;s additional knowledge of baseball, similar to what Gladwell discussed in Blink, his instincts help him identify the guys really at risk, which is why his personal list is very high.</p>
<p>My gut instinct is that biomechanics has a much bigger role than generally credited, and that injuries (assuming solid original mechanics) result from fatigue or stress altering mechanics in unusual ways, not sheer usage as Verducci says.   But how they can predict that, I don&#8217;t know.   I read one time that the Rays have people monitoring live camera feeds on all their pitchers during every game (minors or majors) and feed reports directly to to Maddon and the minor league managers in real time when they notice any alteration in a pitchers mechanics, and then they pull them right away.  It sounds a little bit like an urban myth, but I think that kind of thing may be the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Boss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Boss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 14:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was hoping for more commentary on whether or not you believed in the effect in the first place :-)  Because (as with anything baseball these days on the blogosphere) there are some vociferously loud opinions that the &quot;effect&quot; is BS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was hoping for more commentary on whether or not you believed in the effect in the first place <img src='http://www.nationalsarmrace.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Because (as with anything baseball these days on the blogosphere) there are some vociferously loud opinions that the &#8220;effect&#8221; is BS.</p>
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		<title>By: Wally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 02:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with Mark, pitchers are a crapshoot still.   I think that I&#039;ll always worry about Strasburg, even if it is illogical.   Is it possible to worry about someone getting hurt because they have too much stuff?  Those guys always make me think that they&#039;ll get injured eventually.  I just try to enjoy it while they are healthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with Mark, pitchers are a crapshoot still.   I think that I&#8217;ll always worry about Strasburg, even if it is illogical.   Is it possible to worry about someone getting hurt because they have too much stuff?  Those guys always make me think that they&#8217;ll get injured eventually.  I just try to enjoy it while they are healthy.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 13:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff, Todd. The best thing that ever happened to Rizzo was Mike Shanahan.
The truth is, the Nats did everything right by Strasburg and Zimmermann, and they could still blow out their arms. It happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff, Todd. The best thing that ever happened to Rizzo was Mike Shanahan.<br />
The truth is, the Nats did everything right by Strasburg and Zimmermann, and they could still blow out their arms. It happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 21:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article. Thanks for laying out the background on Verducci&#039;s analysis, and I definitely think I better understand his positions now. With you, I hope he is wrong now on Strasburg ... wouldn&#039;t that be the ultimate bummer if, after taking so much grief for the shutdown, the real problem turned out to be that the Nats didn&#039;t shut him down soon enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article. Thanks for laying out the background on Verducci&#8217;s analysis, and I definitely think I better understand his positions now. With you, I hope he is wrong now on Strasburg &#8230; wouldn&#8217;t that be the ultimate bummer if, after taking so much grief for the shutdown, the real problem turned out to be that the Nats didn&#8217;t shut him down soon enough.</p>
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