{"id":13266,"date":"2016-12-19T11:04:50","date_gmt":"2016-12-19T16:04:50","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/?p=13266"},"modified":"2016-12-19T12:03:23","modified_gmt":"2016-12-19T17:03:23","slug":"top-10-arms-starters-and-relievers-separately-ranked","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/?p=13266","title":{"rendered":"Top 10 Arms; Starters and Relievers separately ranked"},"content":{"rendered":"
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Fedde probably #1 arm in the system … and its tough after that. Photo via minorleagueball.com<\/p><\/div>\n

Every year,\u00a0Luke Erickson<\/strong> over at NationalsProspects.com does a crowd-sourced ranking of the Top 10 “bats” and “arms”<\/a> in the Nats farm system (link to the “Arms” post)<\/p>\n

This year, I had such a hard time deciding upon my top 10 arms for Luke’s survey that I thought it would be worth doing my own post on the subject, temporarily stealing Luke’s idea. \u00a0I think its an interesting time for our farm system arm development; we’ve spent the off-season trading away a significant amount of arm depth, and what we have left made it kind of tough for me to even find 10 “arms” that were worth ranking. \u00a0Furthermore, how do you really compare starters and relievers? \u00a0Isn’t a mediocre starter prospect who has reached AAA better than a high-end reliever prospect in the lower minors? \u00a0 Is our best reliever prospect (Koda Glover<\/strong>) a “better” or “worse” prospect than a really good-looking starter who is in A-Ball (like a\u00a0Tyler Watson<\/strong>?) \u00a0How do you compare a good starter prospect in A ball with what looks like an org-arm\u00a0in AAA? \u00a0Its potential versus reality, ceiling versus floor. \u00a0In the end, you have to make kind of a rolling judgement call to put PlayerA above PlayerB … leading to excellent arguments in the comments section.<\/p>\n

So, taking these thoughts into account, here’s my top 10 ranked Arms, splitting guys into starters and relievers. \u00a0My rules: a “starter” is someone who was “predominantly” a starter this year. \u00a0A reliever is someone who, well, was a reliever and wasn’t getting starts unless there was some weird situation going on. \u00a0And since the lowest levels generally were doing tandem starting, if you were clearly a “pitch every 5th day” guy even if you weren’t starting, then i’m calling you a starter for these purposes. \u00a0This only comes into play with a couple of guys who were in and out of rotations this year; i’ve put them into the Relievers section.<\/p>\n

My Nats top 10 Starters:<\/p>\n

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1. Erick\u00a0Fedde<\/strong>: He’s clearly come back from TJ, dominated for most of 2016, and probably debuts in the later half of 2017.<\/div>\n
(1a. A.J. Cole<\/strong>, if you still think he’s got prospect status. \u00a0He exhausted his rookie status by service time in 2016 … but has yet to reach 50 IP in the majors, so Baseball America qualifies him as a prospect still. \u00a0I don’t view him as a prospect anymore; to me he’s a 6th starter\/long-man candidate for 2017).<\/div>\n
2. Austin Voth<\/strong>: he’s more than earned it, has nothing to prove in AAA, and frankly should have gotten a 40-man addition last September and gotten innings instead of\u00a0Mat Latos<\/strong>.<\/div>\n
3. Tyler Watson<\/strong>: had a great season competing against guys well older than him; could be looking at a jump to high-A in 2017 and he’s yet to turn 20. \u00a0I like his potential.<\/div>\n
4. Weston Davis<\/strong>: I’m going with Davis over the more highly regarded (on prospect lists) Baez because of a slightly cleaner stat line. \u00a0Davis had a nice 2.67 ERA in Short-A as a 20-yr old.<\/div>\n
5. Joan\u00a0Baez<\/strong>: Full year starting in Low-A as a 21-yr old, good K\/9 numbers, some wildness. \u00a0A step-up to High-A will clear the waters on him.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
6. Matthew Crownover<\/strong>: great in Low-A, struggled in High-A. \u00a0 Should be in the Potomac rotation for 2017, may turn into a useful lefty reliever if he can’t maintain stats as a starter.<\/div>\n
7. Jesus Luzardo<\/strong>: entirely based on pre-draft reputation; hopefully he comes back strong, but he’s several years away from even doing what Watson is doing.<\/div>\n
8. Tyler Mapes<\/strong>: the fact that a 30th round draft pick is on this list is, well, the obvious evidence of the current thin-ness of our pitching depth. \u00a0I love what Mapes has done, don’t get me wrong, but does anyone really expect him to \u00a0become an impact player in the majors?<\/div>\n
9.\u00a0McKenzie Mills<\/strong>: I could see Mills a bit higher here, but honestly anyone in the 6-10 rank here could be argued to be higher or lower.<\/div>\n
10. Andrew Lee<\/strong>: solid for Hagerstown before hitting the D\/L. \u00a0His spot here is assuming he didn’t blow out his rotator cuff or something that affects him longer term.<\/div>\n
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Honorable Mentions: Kyle McGowin<\/strong>, Yonathan Ramirez, Carlos Acevedo<\/strong>,\u00a0Jaron Long<\/strong>,\u00a0Austen Williams, Jefry Rodriguez.<\/strong>\u00a0 I could probably see arguments for Ramirez above perhaps Lee or Mills, but barely. \u00a0I don’t really bother looking at GCL or DSL guys, so if you want to argue that someone who got 40 innings of complex ball is better than someone who put up stats in an A-ball league … well i’m going to argue with you :-).<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

So, clearly there’s a huge gap between the AAA-calibre guys at the top and Watson, both in terms of service time and in career minor league achievement. \u00a0Our trades have resulted in this gap. \u00a0There also seems to be a pretty significant potential gap right after Baez; you go from prospect to lottery tickets and org-guys pretty quickly it seems. \u00a0Prior to these trades, I would likely have had Giolito 1, Lopez 2, Dunning right after Voth and perhaps Avila in discussions for being at the #10 spot. \u00a0Still, that’s half of your best starter prospects gone in a couple of weeks.<\/div>\n
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Nats top 10 Relievers; these are going to be more heavily aligned towards guys who are near the top of the system, for obvious reasons. \u00a0If you’re in A-ball and already a reliever … you’re in trouble unless you’re striking guys out at 12 K\/9 clip … and we seem to have a habit of trading those guys (Hearn, Sanchez<\/strong>).<\/div>\n
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1. Koda Glover<\/strong>: for obvious reasons. \u00a0Despite how much we’ve talked about him this year, he’s only got 19 MLB innings and still has rookie status by service time. \u00a0We were mostly mystified by his drop-off of talent, until learning that he tore his hip labrum. \u00a0I, like many others, like him for a future closer. \u00a0Grow ’em, don’t buy ’em.<\/div>\n
2.\u00a0Austin Adams<\/strong>: our return bounty for\u00a0Danny Espinosa<\/strong>: he had 61 Ks in 41 AA innings<\/a> in 2016. \u00a0That’s 13.3 K\/9. \u00a0That’s crazy.<\/div>\n
3.\u00a0Bryan Harper<\/strong>: he was clearly moving himself ahead of other lefty options in AAA before getting hurt; lets hope he recovers from TJ and puts himself back on the map.<\/div>\n
4.\u00a0Jimmy Cordero<\/strong>: pretty solid AA numbers for two seasons running; i’d like to see him in AAA to see if he’s a bullpen option in the mold of an\u00a0Aaron Barrett<\/strong>\/Craig Stammen<\/strong> role.<\/div>\n
5.\u00a0Matt Grace<\/strong>: may be on the downslope of his Nats career, given that he wasn’t depended upon in 2016 and the Nats felt the need to flip a future Hall of Fame prospect to acquire a 5-week loogy rental. \u00a0But he’s still an effective AAA reliever, which the rest of the guys below him cannot say.<\/div>\n
6.\u00a0Trevor Gott<\/strong>: our return bounty for\u00a0Yunel Escobar<\/strong> was relatively effective for AAA this year, had good MLB numbers, but is anyone counting on him competing for the 2017 MLB bullpen? \u00a0He and Grace are my “first two guys to go” off the 40-man if we need room right now.<\/div>\n
7.\u00a0Andrew Robinson<\/strong>: this MLFA signing put up great AA numbers and seems to be sticking around; I think he competes for the AAA bullpen.
\n8. Wander Suero<\/strong>: Another guy who put up nice AA numbers for the team this year as a RH middle reliever. \u00a0He’s a bit old (25) and has been around the system forever (IFA signing in 2010), but should feature in AA or AAA this year.
\n9. Ryan Brinley<\/strong>: others have him higher based on his High-A dominance; he’s another Tyler Mapes-esque draft success story, a 2015 27th rounder who has rocketed up the system. \u00a0 I’d like to see what he can do in AA in 2017.
\n10. John Simms<\/strong>: another one of the Nats great 11th round picks, he really may be a starter, but for now he’s here. \u00a0If he was being counted as a starter he’d probably be around the same ranking in the above list.<\/div>\n
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Honorable Mentions:\u00a0Nick Lee, Mariano Rivera Jr.,\u00a0Grant Borne, Taylor Guilbeau, Steven Fuentes, Tommy Peterson, Jorge Pantoja<\/strong>: all guys who put up decent numbers for A or AA teams.<\/div>\n
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What do you guys think? \u00a0Did I miss anyone egregiously?<\/div>\n
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