{"id":18780,"date":"2025-01-22T10:48:37","date_gmt":"2025-01-22T15:48:37","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/?p=18780"},"modified":"2025-01-22T10:48:37","modified_gmt":"2025-01-22T15:48:37","slug":"bbwaa-elects-three-to-the-hall","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/?p=18780","title":{"rendered":"BBWAA Elects three to the Hall"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/SabathiaCC-wiki-flickr-chris.ptacek.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"800\" height=\"534\" src=\"http:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/SabathiaCC-wiki-flickr-chris.ptacek.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-6360\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/SabathiaCC-wiki-flickr-chris.ptacek.jpg 800w, https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/04\/SabathiaCC-wiki-flickr-chris.ptacek-300x200.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Sabathia is a 1st ballot HoF guy.  Photo wiki\/flickr chris.ptacek<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The <a href=\"https:\/\/www.mlb.com\/news\/2025-baseball-hall-of-fame-voting-results\">class of 2025<\/a> is now set.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Two first-ballot hall of famers in <strong>CC Sabathia<\/strong> and <strong>Ichiro Suzuki<\/strong> will join last-gasp 10th ballot electee and Virginia native <strong>Billy Wagner<\/strong> in Cooperstown later this year.  They&#8217;ll be part ofa  5-man class, joined by selectees <strong>David Parker<\/strong> and <strong>Dick Allen<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Here&#8217;s some quick thoughts.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1,. <strong>Billy Wagner<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In my HoF fake ballot post, I said i <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/?p=18737\">wouldn&#8217;t have voted for him<\/a>.  I went back and searched all my fake ballot posts going back to 2017 &#8230; and I&#8217;ve never really vacillated from this stance.  In a couple of posts I said, &#8220;eh, maybe&#8221; on Wagner but I was never a yes.  I think its a product of my reliever bias in general, whether it&#8217;s evaluating the value of a closer or the value of a prospect.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Nonetheless, you can&#8217;t argue with his dominance.  A 187 CAREER ERA+ is nothing to shake a stick at, and I&#8217;m glad he&#8217;s in.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>2. <strong>CC Sabathia<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sabathia becomes a first ballot Hall of Famer.  I&#8217;ve always liked Sabathia and its a great honor to cap his career.  Funny how nobody ever accused him of being a PED guy.  He was more likely to be accused of being an all-you-can-eat buffet violator, not a drug test violator.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>However, here&#8217;s a thought exercise for you. Here&#8217;s two arbitrary players overall career stats.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Player A: 256-153 W\/L, 3.85 career ERA, 117 career ERA+.  531 career games, 2448 career Ks.  3 ASG, 4 times in the Cy Young top 5 voting.  276 post season innings, 3.81 post season ERA.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Player B: 251-161 W\/L, 3.74 career ERA, 116 career ERA+.  561 career games, 3093 career Ks.  6 ASG, 5 times in Cy Young top 5 but won one.  130 post season innings, 4.38 career postseason ERA.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>One of these players is first ballot hall of famer CC Sabathia.  The other is Andy Pettitte, who never got above 27% support for the Hall.  When you go to baseball-reference and scroll down to &#8220;Similarity Scores&#8221; for Pettitte &#8230; guess who is #1?  You guessed it: Sabathia.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Does this make sense to you?   <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>3. <strong>Ichiro Suzuki<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The obvious storyline here is the one gutless BBWAA anonymous voter who left Suzuki off his ballot.  There&#8217;s not a soul in the sport who can support denying Suzuki a vote.  So he joins a small group of players who were denied unanimous induction by either one vote (Derek Jeter) or a handful of votes (Griffey missed 3 votes, Cobb 4, Seaver 5, Ryan 6, Ryan 8).  Did you know that Babe Ruth was ommitted on NINE ballots in 1936??  Can you imagine the outcry in today&#8217;s social media landscape?  The hated Ty Cobb got more votes than Ruth on the original HoFame ballot.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Anyway.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p>Next closest on the ballot were Beltran with 70% in his 3rd try, and Jones with 66% on his 8th try.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I support both candidates.  Yes Beltran was embroiled in the Houston trash can banging scheme, but his career was clean during a time when PED was rampant.  Jones was the next coming of Willie Mays until he wasn&#8217;t; I like both guys, and both have a good shot of going in soon.  The <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/awards\/hof_2026.shtml#all_hof_BBWAA\">2026 ballot<\/a> doesn&#8217;t exactly have inspiring first-time candidates: the  highest bWAR new candidates are Cole Hamels (just 163 career wins) and Ryan Braun (with his testosterone test nonsense), so voters may lean into existing candidates a bit more.  But, that&#8217;s a conversation for a year from now.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The class of 2025 is now set. Two first-ballot hall of famers in CC Sabathia and Ichiro Suzuki will join last-gasp 10th ballot electee and Virginia native Billy Wagner in Cooperstown later this year. They&#8217;ll be part ofa 5-man class, joined by selectees David Parker and Dick Allen. Here&#8217;s some quick thoughts. 1,. Billy Wagner [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[2667,4558],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-18780","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-awards","category-high-school"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/18780","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=18780"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/18780\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":18781,"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/18780\/revisions\/18781"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=18780"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=18780"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=18780"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}