{"id":279,"date":"2010-11-07T09:35:19","date_gmt":"2010-11-07T14:35:19","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/?p=279"},"modified":"2013-04-23T14:19:07","modified_gmt":"2013-04-23T18:19:07","slug":"what-will-dunn-do","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/?p=279","title":{"rendered":"What will Dunn do? (updated)"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_280\" style=\"width: 310px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/adam-dunn.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-280\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-280\" title=\"Adam Dunn Nats Picture Day\" src=\"http:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/adam-dunn-300x202.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"202\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/adam-dunn-300x202.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/adam-dunn.jpg 550w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-280\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Photo by Doug Benc\/Getty Images North America<\/p><\/div>\n<p>As posted by other bloggers today, October 28th 2010, (especially in this post here on the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nationalsenquirer.com\/2010\/10\/adam-dunn-type-a-free-agent-washington-nationals.html?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2FTheNationalsEnquirer+%28The+Nationals+Enquirer%29&amp;utm_content=Google+Reader\">Nationals Enquirer<\/a> which rather eloquently titles their posting with the obvious consequence of Dunn&#8217;s Elias rating), the Nats dodged a huge bullet and will be fully compensated if <strong>Adam Dunn <\/strong>decides to leave via free agency (that is well, unless they do the unthinkable and fail to offer him Arbitration).\u00a0 The <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mlbtraderumors.com\/2010\/10\/official-elias-rankings.html\">official Elias Rankings<\/a> came out and previous estimates on Dunn were slightly low (resulting in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/?p=240\">panicked posts<\/a> by yours truly and others about his being a type B free agent and thus making our entire mis-handling of the contract extension even more egregiously bad).<\/p>\n<p>Now, based on the rules of compensation (as explained in the Kilgore&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/voices.washingtonpost.com\/nationalsjournal\/2010\/10\/adam_dunn_will_be_a_type_a_fre.html?wprss=nationalsjournal\">Nats Journal blog posting today<\/a>), the first 18 picks of the 2011 draft are protected (usually first 15 but there&#8217;s a few compensation picks in there from failed draft picks in 2010).\u00a0 So, IF Dunn is leaving (and the prevaling opinion seems to lean that way despite all realistic arguments against it&#8230;), what the Nats now root for is a team in the &#8220;bottom&#8221; half of the first round to be the signing team.\u00a0 If this happens, we&#8217;ll get their 1st rounder AND a supplemental pick.\u00a0 Otherwise we&#8217;re looking at the supplemental pick plus the signing team&#8217;s 2nd rounder.\u00a0 That&#8217;s not nearly as nice of a haul frankly.<\/p>\n<p>The first round draft order for 2011 goes like <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mlbtraderumors.com\/reversestandings\/\">this<\/a>, thanks to mlbtraderumors.com<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s the thing though; if Dunn is going to leave, then he needs to go to a team that:<\/p>\n<p>a) Needs a first baseman and<\/p>\n<p>b) Is REALISTICALLY in the market for Free Agents in general, and<\/p>\n<p>c) Makes more sense for him to leave the Nationals for.\u00a0 As in, why would he go from one last place team to another, unless the Nats insultingly refuse to offer him anything more than a 2yr deal.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s a quick rundown on NL teams and their 1st basemen situation.\u00a0 We focus first on the NL because of Dunn&#8217;s repeated statements that he&#8217;s not interested in becoming a full time DH.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Nym:<strong> Ike Davis<\/strong>: an up and coming prospect, had a nice 2010.<\/li>\n<li>Phi: <strong>Ryan Howard<\/strong>: long term contract, anchor of the franchise.<\/li>\n<li>Fla: <strong>Gaby Sanchez: <\/strong>could be upgraded but it doesn&#8217;t matter, they&#8217;re not FA buyers.\u00a0 Never are.<\/li>\n<li>Atl: <strong>Derrick Lee<\/strong>, who is a FA.\u00a0 <strong>Troy Glaus <\/strong>also a FA but was awful this year. Could be a buyer, looking for a slugger to help them make the leap from WC to divisional champ.\u00a0 Or they could depend on up and coming prospect <strong>Freddie Freeman<\/strong>.\u00a0 Not listed as players in any of the early Free Agency predictions though.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>Stl: <strong>Albert Pujols<\/strong>; franchise player, obviously.<\/li>\n<li>Mil: <strong>Prince Fielder<\/strong>.\u00a0 Milwaukee&#8217;s franchise player until his eventual trade\/FA saga next season.<\/li>\n<li>Cin: <strong>Joey Votto<\/strong>; MVP candidate and not yet even to arbitration.\u00a0 Best bargain in baseball right now.<\/li>\n<li>Chi: it was Derrick Lee til they traded him to Atlanta.\u00a0 Possible FA buyers.\u00a0 See below.<\/li>\n<li>Hou: it was <strong>Lance Berkman <\/strong>til they traded him.\u00a0 But are they FA buyers?\u00a0 I don&#8217;t think so.<\/li>\n<li>Pit: <strong>Garrett Jones: <\/strong>doesn&#8217;t matter, they&#8217;re not FA buyers; they&#8217;re the reason baseball has revenue sharing.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>Lad: <strong>James Loney<\/strong>: cost contained and home grown.\u00a0 plus no FA $$ spent until ownership divorce settled.\u00a0 Some reports seen saying they&#8217;ll trade Loney and go after Dunn, but sounds doubtful.<\/li>\n<li>Sdp: <strong>Adrian Gonzalez<\/strong>; San Diego&#8217;s marquee player.<\/li>\n<li>Sfg: <strong>Aubrey Huff<\/strong>: a FA and SF desperately needs hitters.\u00a0 BUT Huff may have earned an extension based on his post season exploits both at bat and in the field where he&#8217;s a plus defender.\u00a0 And the Giants (by virtue of a number of awful contracts) are payroll bound for the next few years.\u00a0 Not major shoppers.<\/li>\n<li>Col: <strong>Todd Helton<\/strong>; signed through 2011, which will be the last of his 9 year contract.\u00a0 His production is declining but they&#8217;ll want to stay flexible enough to go after the bumper 2011 1st basemen FA crop of <strong>Fielder<\/strong>, <strong>Gonzalez<\/strong>, and <strong>Pujols<\/strong>.\u00a0 Won&#8217;t go after Dunn but will seek a 1-year FA.<\/li>\n<li>Ari: <strong>Adam LaRoche<\/strong>, who is a FA, but Arizona&#8217;s new GM values defense and doesn&#8217;t like Dunn.\u00a0 Plus, they do have a decent 1B prospect in<strong> Brandon Allen<\/strong>.\u00a0 Not buyers.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>So, if he goes anywhere in the NL I think it could be either Atlanta, Chicago or (maybe) San Francisco.\u00a0 Chicago already has some serious payroll issues and an underperforming team but has a ton of cash.\u00a0 SF may not have the payroll flexibility to buy Dunn despite really needing him.\u00a0 Atlanta only has $60M committed next year and has a bunch of arbitration cases &#8230; but they&#8217;ve spent over $100m on payroll as recently as 2 years ago and may expand it out again.<\/p>\n<p>Adding in AL teams, looking at 1B solutions (I can&#8217;t see him signing up for a team that will ONLY DH him, so we have to look at teams where he splits time between 1B and DH).<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Bos: <strong>Kevin Youklis\/Victor Martinez<\/strong>; but have a serious need for a DH if they don&#8217;t resign <strong>David Ortiz<\/strong>.\u00a0 Interesting off season for Boston.\u00a0 If they cut loose the legendary Ortiz, I can see them letting Beltre go, putting Youklis at 3rd, and then going after Dunn and selling him on splitting time between 1st and DHing when Victor Martinez needs a blow.\u00a0 That&#8217;s an awful lot of &#8220;ifs&#8221; to work out though.\u00a0 <strong>Update<\/strong>: The RedSox <a href=\"http:\/\/sportsillustrated.cnn.com\/2010\/baseball\/mlb\/11\/04\/red.sox.ortiz.ap\/index.html\">exercised the 2011<\/a> option on Ortiz, presumably removing them from the equation.<\/li>\n<li>Nyy: <strong>Mark Teixeira<\/strong>.\u00a0 Plus, don&#8217;t the 2011 yankees have like 8 guys who might need to DH periodically?\u00a0 My favorite subplot of the next few years is how the Yankees handle their aging core of players.\u00a0 Jeter, A-Rod, Rivera, Posada, Pettitte and Rivera are all on the wrong side of 34, all make a ton of money and all need a position to play.\u00a0 Where exactly does Jeter go when he cannot play SS anymore?<\/li>\n<li>Tam: <strong>Carlos Pena<\/strong>, a FA who will be allowed to walk.\u00a0 However, Tampa won&#8217;t buy Dunn b\/c they&#8217;re in massive payroll reduction mode.\u00a0 I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ve got some uber hitting prospect who will contribute an OPS+ of 140 next year.\u00a0 They do have their 2010 minor league player of the year <a href=\"http:\/\/web.minorleaguebaseball.com\/milb\/stats\/stats.jsp?pos=&amp;sid=milb&amp;t=p_pbp&amp;pid=430681\">Dan Johnson<\/a>, who hit THIRTY homers in AAA in just 98 games but he hasn&#8217;t exactly <a href=\"http:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/j\/johnsda06.shtml\">torn it up<\/a> in his MLB experiences.<\/li>\n<li>Tor: <strong>Lyle Overbay<\/strong>, a FA who is 34.\u00a0 Can&#8217;t see Toronto buying an aging FA w\/ new GM in town who is focused on building the team the right way.<\/li>\n<li>Bal: <strong>Ty Wiggington<\/strong>: another aging mediocre FA.\u00a0 Dunn would be *perfect* in Baltimore and at Camden, but are Orioles buyers?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>Det: <strong>Miguel Cabrera<\/strong>; locked in and coming off a great year.\u00a0 However, they have nearly $60M coming off the books and may be looking for someone to bash and protect Cabrera.\u00a0 Would mean that Dunn becomes a full time DH.<\/li>\n<li>Cws: <strong>Paul Konerko<\/strong>, a FA coming off a career year.\u00a0 But, the consensus seems to be that the CWS won&#8217;t pursue Konerko (he&#8217;s 34 and clearly should start declining).\u00a0 A dark horse candidate for Dunn.<\/li>\n<li>Min: <strong>Justin Morneau<\/strong>; franchise player, long term contract.<\/li>\n<li>Kc: <strong>Billy Butler<\/strong>; player of the future.<\/li>\n<li>Cle: <strong>Matt LaPorta<\/strong>, the future of this team right now and bounty from the <strong>CC Sabathia <\/strong>trade.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>Laa: <strong>Kendrys Morales<\/strong>; a key hitter whose injury helped derail their 2010 season.<\/li>\n<li>Oak: <strong>Daric Barton<\/strong>: up and coming hitter, only 24 but they&#8217;d never buy Dunn unless it was to flip him later.<\/li>\n<li>Sea: <strong>Russell Branyon<\/strong>\/<strong>Casey Kotchman <\/strong>but they have <strong>Justin Smoak <\/strong>coming up (bounty for <strong>Cliff Lee<\/strong>).<\/li>\n<li>Tex: Had a rotating door post Smoak trade between castoff <strong>Cantu <\/strong>and rookie <strong>Chris Davis<\/strong>, but their 2009 minor league player of the year <strong>Mitch Moreland<\/strong> seems to have taken hold of the position.\u00a0 9 homers in 47 games down the stretch plus he has come up huge in the post season.\u00a0 Not buyers.\u00a0 No wonder they were OK with letting Smoak go.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>There&#8217;s many more AL options.\u00a0 In various scenarios he could make sense for 5 or 6 AL teams.\u00a0 At least Chicago, Baltimore, Boston, or Toronto.\u00a0 Tampa if they weren&#8217;t going cheap.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>My personal odds\/guesses in order on where Dunn may go:<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li> Chicago Cubs: makes the most sense and are already politicking for him.\u00a0 However, rumors on the street at the start of free agency seem to indicate that the Cubs are standing pat.\u00a0 They have new ownership in 2010 and a bunch of bad contracts.\u00a0 After such an awful season how can the owners be compelled to throw good money after bad?<\/li>\n<li>Chicago White Sox: instead of the North Side, he moves to the south side.\u00a0 Some of the<a href=\"http:\/\/msn.foxsports.com\/mlb\/lists\/MLB-free-agency-predictions#photo-title=Adam%20Dunn,%201B&amp;photo=21661195\"> Foxsports.com team<\/a> belives he&#8217;s heading here.\u00a0 The White Sox won 88 games last year and may be looking to upgrade (and get younger) from Konerko.\u00a0 Yes its AL, but he&#8217;d clearly be the first baseman.<\/li>\n<li>Re-signs w\/ the Nats; less likely since Rizzo can&#8217;t see the forest (40 home runs) for the trees (Dunn&#8217;s defensive liabilities).\u00a0 And, he has to be insulted by the hemming and hawing that went on all season (not to mention the constant trade rumors, which clearly irritated him as the summer progressed).\u00a0 There has been a <a href=\"http:\/\/washington.nationals.mlb.com\/news\/article.jsp?ymd=20101030&amp;content_id=15913218&amp;vkey=news_was&amp;c_id=was\">3-year deal<\/a> on the table since at least August but Dunn has resisted.<\/li>\n<p>Lesser possibilities but which could arise.<\/p>\n<li>Atlanta: if the braves don&#8217;t trust prospect Freeman, they make perfect sense and Dunn would be walking into a playoff team ready to take the next step.<\/li>\n<li>Houston; a return home\u00a0 &#8230; but I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re really shopping.<\/li>\n<li>Detroit: A couple of <a href=\"http:\/\/msn.foxsports.com\/mlb\/lists\/MLB-free-agency-predictions#photo-title=Adam%20Dunn,%201B&amp;photo=21661195\">Fox sportswriters<\/a> seem to think he&#8217;s heading to Detroit.\u00a0 If he does, its clearly a signal of defeat on his part because he&#8217;d immediately be a full time DH.<\/li>\n<li>New York Yankees.\u00a0 The Yankees do have a slight need for a DH, but it would take convincing Dunn to completely give up playing in the field as the Yankees are already stacked with future DHs.<\/li>\n<li>Baltimore; Dunn may reach 700 career homers if playing in Camden Yards for the next 5 years with its short porch.\u00a0 But, as mentioned before, if he decides to leave Washington (an up and coming franchise that could actually contend by the time his contract ends), why would he go to a place like Baltimore?\u00a0 Baltimore is the 5th best team in a division that shows no signs of ever having an off year.\u00a0 In fact, why would ANY marquee free agent ever go to Baltimore?<\/li>\n<li>Oakland: listed by<a href=\"http:\/\/sportsillustrated.cnn.com\/2010\/writers\/ben_reiter\/11\/04\/reiter.50.free.agents\/index.html\"> Ben Reiter<\/a> as a dark horse for Dunn&#8217;s services.\u00a0 Don&#8217;t see it.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>Now, IF Dunn is absolutely leaving &#8230; who are the teams we&#8217;d be &#8220;rooting&#8221; to sign him?\u00a0 Boston is best, but Atlanta or SF would be great too.\u00a0 If he goes to these locations we&#8217;d own a mid-20s first rounder plus a supplemental.\u00a0 If he goes to Chicago or Houston, we&#8217;re looking at a supplemental and an early 2nd rounder (or worse if these teams decide to sign TWO type-A free agents and the other is higher ranked than Dunn.\u00a0 Under this scenario we&#8217;d get a supp-1st and the signing team&#8217;s 2nd rounder.\u00a0 Not good).<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>As posted by other bloggers today, October 28th 2010, (especially in this post here on the Nationals Enquirer which rather eloquently titles their posting with the obvious consequence of Dunn&#8217;s Elias rating), the Nats dodged a huge bullet and will be fully compensated if Adam Dunn decides to leave via free agency (that is well, [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[5],"tags":[139,111,184,403,123,1049,370,1312,1736,362,1594,47,1030,246,1592,605,1586,187,685,1588,686,148,592,1595,677,413,1568,1172,338,1590,674,687,405,129,688,676,183,1593,675,684,1587,1143,1589],"class_list":["post-279","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-natsgeneral","tag-adam-dunn","tag-adam-kilgore","tag-adam-laroche","tag-adrian-gonzalez","tag-albert-pujols","tag-aubrey-huff","tag-ben-reiter","tag-billy-butler","tag-brandon-allen","tag-carlos-pena","tag-casey-kotchman","tag-cc-sabathia","tag-chris-davis","tag-cliff-lee","tag-daric-barton","tag-david-ortiz","tag-derrick-lee","tag-freddie-freeman","tag-gaby-sanchez","tag-garrett-jones","tag-ike-davis","tag-james-loney","tag-joey-votto","tag-jorge-cantu","tag-justin-morneau","tag-justin-smoak","tag-kendrys-morales","tag-kevin-youklis","tag-lance-berkman","tag-lyle-overbay","tag-mark-teixeira","tag-matt-laporta","tag-miguel-cabrera","tag-mike-rizzo","tag-mitch-moreland","tag-paul-konerko","tag-prince-fielder","tag-russell-branyon","tag-ryan-howard","tag-todd-helton","tag-troy-glaus","tag-ty-wiggington","tag-victor-martinez"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/279","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=279"}],"version-history":[{"count":14,"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/279\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":283,"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/279\/revisions\/283"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=279"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=279"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=279"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}