{"id":5429,"date":"2012-12-06T13:09:46","date_gmt":"2012-12-06T18:09:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/?p=5429"},"modified":"2013-10-06T10:34:08","modified_gmt":"2013-10-06T14:34:08","slug":"rule-5-losses-odds-of-them-coming-back","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/?p=5429","title":{"rendered":"Rule 5 Losses: odds of them coming back?"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_4479\" style=\"width: 160px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/09\/rosenbaum_danny0408-pnats02-_insidenova-Jeff-Mankie-News-and-Messenger.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-4479\" class=\"size-thumbnail wp-image-4479\" title=\"rosenbaum_danny0408-pnats02 _insidenova Jeff Mankie News and Messenger\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/09\/rosenbaum_danny0408-pnats02-_insidenova-Jeff-Mankie-News-and-Messenger-150x150.jpg\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-4479\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Danny Rosenbaum gets drafted by Colorado in the Rule 5 draft. Photo Jeff Mankie via insidenova.com<\/p><\/div>\n<p>The Rule 5 draft was conducted on 12\/5\/12, the last day of the Winter meetings, and the Nats farm system took a hit.<\/p>\n<p>In the Major League Phase (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.mlbtraderumors.com\/2012\/12\/2012-rule-5-draft-results.html\">full results from mlbtraderumors.com<\/a>), we lost:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Danny Rosenbaum, <\/strong>who was drafted 3rd overall by the Colorado Rockies.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Jeff Kobernus<\/strong><strong>, <\/strong>who was taken 7th overall by the Boston Red Sox, and immediately flipped to Detroit for a utility player.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Rosenbaum&#8217;s drafting isn&#8217;t a huge surprise, given his stature as the leading lefty starter prospect in our system and consistently being mentioned in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.milb.com\/milb\/stats\/stats.jsp?pos=P&amp;sid=milb&amp;t=p_pbp&amp;pid=572095\">top 10 lists and all-star teams<\/a>. \u00a0Rosenbaum&#8217;s problem is that he projects as a classic back-of-the-rotation lefty; decent but not eye-popping velocity, good control, keeping the ball in the park and giving you consistent innings, and the Nationals current management has little use for such a player. \u00a0He projects almost exactly like <strong>John Lannan<\/strong> and\u00a0<strong>Tommy Milone<\/strong>, two lefties that Rizzo didn&#8217;t covet and who were either flipped or non-tendered. \u00a0Now, before bemoaning Rosenbaum&#8217;s loss too much, the odds of him being returned seem nearly 100%: Colorado is absolute hell on pitchers. \u00a0He joins a team which lost 98 games and whose <a href=\"http:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/teams\/COL\/2012.shtml\">BEST starter last year posted a 4.43 ERA<\/a>. \u00a0Colorado is stock piling young starter prospects, running them through an unconventional pitch count limit system, and (I guess) seeing who stands out. \u00a0Is Rosenbaum any better than the large handful of starters there already? \u00a0I don&#8217;t think so; I suspect he&#8217;ll be back. \u00a0Lets just hope he doesn&#8217;t return as damaged goods, as <strong>Brad Meyer<\/strong> was late last season.<\/p>\n<p>Kobernus has to be excited; he goes from presumably being stuck in the minors for another year to getting a chance to make the 25-man roster team of the defending AL champs as a utility infielder. \u00a0Our 2009 2nd round pick signed an under-slot deal (as did nearly everyone else in that draft thanks to the monies paid to <strong>Strasburg<\/strong> and <strong>Storen<\/strong>) and has posted decent if not flashy numbers in a steady progression through the system. \u00a0In 2012 his slash line in AA was <a href=\"http:\/\/www.milb.com\/milb\/stats\/stats.jsp?pos=&amp;sid=milb&amp;t=p_pbp&amp;pid=571862\">.282\/.325\/.333<\/a> and he was a mid-season all-star. \u00a0I guess the team decided it just didn&#8217;t need a middle infielder who had little to no power (his best OPS season was in 2011 where he just reached .700). \u00a0Can he stick in Detroit? \u00a0I suspect he could, given the role he&#8217;s asked to perform. \u00a0However, I worry that (much like <strong>Erik Komatsu<\/strong> in 2011, who it should be noted was NOT picked this year despite still being rule-5 eligible) he won&#8217;t be able to hit consistently enough to stay with the big team and may eventually be returned.<\/p>\n<p>In the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.federalbaseball.com\/2012\/12\/6\/3735414\/washington-nationals-select-no-one-lose-four-prospects-in-2012-rule-5-draft\">AAA phase, the team also lost<\/a>:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Jack McGeary<\/strong>, taken by Boston.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Hector Nelo<\/strong>, taken by the Los Angeles Dodgers.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The departure of McGeary represents the end of a relatively tumultuous relationship between the one time upper-end prospect and team, and serves as a continuing cautionary tale of the risks behind drafting and paying high-end high school arms. \u00a0McGeary wanted to attend Stanford and worked out a part-time playing deal to allow him to attend school. \u00a0Admirable, but not exactly what a team expects for a <a href=\"https:\/\/docs.google.com\/spreadsheet\/ccc?key=0AmkEIm1TLiXQdGhVRjRfNW81SG8xRlROQ1ZxZzNfbUE&amp;hl=en#gid=0\">$1.8M investment<\/a>. \u00a0After a couple of years he decided to finally focus on baseball first, but blew out his elbow in June 2010. \u00a0 His late 2011 return looked promising, but injuries cost him most of 2012 as well, pitching a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.milb.com\/milb\/stats\/stats.jsp?pos=P&amp;sid=milb&amp;t=p_pbp&amp;pid=519009\">grand total of 9 1\/3 innings this year<\/a>. \u00a0 After 6 full pro seasons he had yet to advance further than Low-A. \u00a0 Nats prospect fans have waited years and years for the likes of McGeary, <strong>Josh Smoker<\/strong>, <strong>Colton Willems<\/strong> and other top-5 talent High school arms to pan out, and have been left wanting. \u00a0Arguably the best HS arm the team has drafted since relocating to Washington is <strong>Patrick McCoy<\/strong>, a lefty with halfway decent numbers in AA this past year and who has been passed over in two successive rule 5 drafts. \u00a0At least the current regime seems to understand this; they&#8217;ve signed exactly three HS arms in the last three drafts combined and they&#8217;re all familiar names (<strong>Giolito, Cole, Ray<\/strong>).<\/p>\n<p>Nelo ended the year as the AA closer, with pretty decent numbers, but himself was a 2011 minor league free agent and seemingly was considered nothing more than an organizational arm for the team. \u00a0He was a right handed reliever in a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/teams\/WSN\/2012-organization-pitching.shtml\">system filled with such players <\/a>, and his departure shouldn&#8217;t be missed too much.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>In the end, the Rule 5 draft was as we expected it; it was rather anti-climactic for Nats fans who thought we may get a new player or two to try out. \u00a0But as has been stated elsewhere, when the 25-man roster is nearly finalized for the 2013 season, there exists little need to experiment with a rule 5 draftee.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Rule 5 draft was conducted on 12\/5\/12, the last day of the Winter meetings, and the Nats farm system took a hit. In the Major League Phase (full results from mlbtraderumors.com), we lost: Danny Rosenbaum, who was drafted 3rd overall by the Colorado Rockies. Jeff Kobernus, who was taken 7th overall by the Boston [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[9,4,2039],"tags":[17,1267,1269,851,52,436,64,206,392,39,65,852,129,908,18,38,34],"class_list":["post-5429","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-draft","category-minorspitching","category-rule-5","tag-aj-cole","tag-brad-meyer","tag-colton-willems","tag-danny-rosenbaum","tag-drew-storen","tag-erik-komatsu","tag-hector-nelo","tag-jack-mcgeary","tag-jeff-kobernus","tag-john-lannan","tag-josh-smoker","tag-lucas-giolito","tag-mike-rizzo","tag-patrick-mccoy","tag-robbie-ray","tag-stephen-strasburg","tag-tommy-milone"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5429","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=5429"}],"version-history":[{"count":7,"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5429\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":7581,"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5429\/revisions\/7581"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=5429"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=5429"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=5429"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}