{"id":7321,"date":"2013-08-15T13:29:11","date_gmt":"2013-08-15T17:29:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com.\/?p=7321"},"modified":"2013-08-15T13:29:11","modified_gmt":"2013-08-15T17:29:11","slug":"lincecums-pending-free-agency-whats-he-worth","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/?p=7321","title":{"rendered":"Lincecum&#8217;s pending Free Agency; what&#8217;s he worth?"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_7440\" style=\"width: 160px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/LincecumTim-2009-SD-Dirk-flickr-via-wiki.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-7440\" class=\"size-thumbnail wp-image-7440\" alt=\"What would you pay Lincecum in 2014?  Photo via SD Dirk flickr via wikipedia\" src=\"http:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/LincecumTim-2009-SD-Dirk-flickr-via-wiki-150x150.jpg\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-7440\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">What would you pay Lincecum in 2014? Photo via SD Dirk flickr via wikipedia<\/p><\/div>\n<p>An interesting question was posed in an ESPN chat a while ago that I made a note on to come back to.<\/p>\n<p>Should the Giants offer\u00a0<strong>Tim Lincecum<\/strong> a qualifying offer, or just cut him loose without any compensation ties this coming off season? \u00a0And a better question: if you were a GM looking for pitching this coming off-season, what would you offer him?<\/p>\n<p>First some stats. \u00a0Lincecum is in the last year of a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.baseballprospectus.com\/compensation\/cots\/nl-west\/san-francisco-giants\/\">2yr\/$40.5M deal<\/a> signed to avoid his last two years of arbitration. \u00a0This is on the heels of a 2yr\/$23M deal that took out his first two years of arbitration. \u00a0He&#8217;s already north of $60M in career earnings before hitting his first pure free agent contract. \u00a0But he&#8217;s at a cross-roads.<\/p>\n<p>Take a look at the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/l\/linceti01.shtml\">progression of his career stat-wise<\/a>: 2 straight Cy Youngs before even hitting his first year of arbitration (which, if you remember, was a Super-2 year because the Giants apparently cannot read a calendar; this little snafu cost them probably $20M in salary). \u00a0He went from an ERA+ of 171 in 2010 to last year&#8217;s bottoming out season, where he posted a 68 ERA+, a 5.18 ERA and was pulled from the rotation in favor of\u00a0<strong>Barry Zito<\/strong> (an insult to end all insults) in the playoffs.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Garrett Hooe<\/strong> at FederalBaseball just posted a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.federalbaseball.com\/2013\/8\/14\/4619420\/understanding-the-giants-tim-lincecums-highs-and-lows\">great analysis as well<\/a>, including insight into Lincecum&#8217;s breakdown of mechanics, his velocity loss and other things. \u00a0His analysis is great; no need to replicate it here.<\/p>\n<p>In 2013 he&#8217;s regained some of his performance but not enough; he&#8217;s still pitching like a 5th\/6th starter. \u00a0His <a href=\"http:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/split.cgi?id=linceti01&amp;year=&amp;t=p\">month-by-month splits<\/a> give no help: he was decent to good in April, awful in May, decent to good in June, mediocre in July and so far has been lights out in August. \u00a0The offensively-challenged Nats just tagged him for <a href=\"http:\/\/washington.nationals.mlb.com\/mlb\/gameday\/index.jsp?gid=2013_08_14_sfnmlb_wasmlb_1&amp;mode=recap&amp;c_id=was&amp;c_id=was\">6 runs in 6 innings<\/a>\u00a0en route to his 12th loss of the season.<\/p>\n<p>Overall, his velocity is down, he has weird mechanics, and he&#8217;s clearly deviating from those weird mechanics as of late. \u00a0What GM out there is willing to give him a shot, given those two parameters? \u00a0Probably more than a few frankly, given his pedigree, but at what cost?<\/p>\n<p>The answer to the second question (what is his value on the FA market) drives the answer to the first question (whether to offer him a QO). \u00a0 I went looking for some comparisons from last year&#8217;s FA market to try to estimate what his market may be this coming off season and found the following data points of interest:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Freddie Garcia<\/strong> pitched to an 80 ERA+ (matching Lincecum&#8217;s in 2013) but had a 5.18 ERA in New York. \u00a0He&#8217;s also older (35 versus 29). \u00a0He signed a combo minor\/major league deal that pays him $1.3M this year.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Dan Haren<\/strong> had an 89 ERA+, as 12-13 record with a 4.33 ERA last year and signed a one-year, $13M deal with the Nats. \u00a0 \u00a0But he was a near Cy Young winner just two years prior and was hurt most of 2012 (that was what we kept telling ourselves when we all talked ourselves into this signing anyway).<\/li>\n<li><strong>Jorge de la Rosa<\/strong>, coming off a lost season to injury but a great 2011, signed a 1 year $11M deal.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Joe Saunders<\/strong> pitched to a 101 ERA+ between two teams, is slightly older and is almost the definition of a MLB average pitcher (career ERA+: exactly 100. \u00a0career ERA: 4.20). \u00a0He signed a 1yr $6.5M deal with Seattle.<\/li>\n<li>Speaking of MLB average guys; <b>Gavin Floyd<\/b> also owns a career ERA+ of 100, and had exactly that for the White Sox in 2012. \u00a0His contract? \u00a01yr, $9.5M.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Jason Marquis<\/strong> was awful last year; 8-11 with a 5.22 ERA and a 72 ERA+. \u00a0He got a 1year $3M deal to come back to San Diego and regain value. \u00a0Fun fact: Marquis is a career 94 ERA+ pitcher, has a career ERA over 4.50, has a CAREER bWAR of 5.5 (that&#8217;s about half of what\u00a0<strong>Mike Trout<\/strong> had in bWAR just last season) and yet has more than $50 million in career earnings. \u00a0Wow. \u00a0I&#8217;m in the wrong business.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Joe Blanton<\/strong> was pretty awful for two teams in 2012, going 10-15 with a 4.71 ERA, yet somehow earned a 2yr\/$15M contract extension from the Angels. \u00a0Blanton, by the way, is <a href=\"http:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/b\/blantjo01.shtml\">2-13 this year<\/a>. \u00a0I&#8217;m not sure how exactly Blanton got anything more than a couple million dollars, to say nothing of a 2 year contract. \u00a0I question the sanity of the Angels management.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Ok. \u00a0So using these examples from last year&#8217;s FA market &#8230; uh, I have no idea what Lincucum is worth. \u00a0I&#8217;d say he&#8217;s better than Blanton, so that mean&#8217;s he&#8217;s better than $7.5M\/year. \u00a0 But that was such an awful contract that I don&#8217;t see how you can use it as a benchmark. Meanwhile, if Gavin Floyd&#8217;s consistency year over year is \u00a0worth $9.5M, then how do you value the possible jeckyl and hyde that you&#8217;re going to get from Lincecum?<\/p>\n<p>If I was a GM, looking at his body of work and his last two seasons, I probably would end up somewhere between Floyd&#8217;s $9.5M and de la Rosa&#8217;s $11M on a one-year deal. \u00a0As they say, there are no bad one-year deals, and if it goes south its just money. \u00a01year, $10M on a career-saving flier taken by some NL team out there willing to roll the dice and spend some cash.<\/p>\n<p>Probably not the Nationals though, not after the Haren experience and considering what\u00a0<strong>Taylor Jordan<\/strong> has given the team in a 5th starter role this year. \u00a0You&#8217;d have to think\u00a0<strong>Mike Rizzo<\/strong> heads into the off-season with his 3 big guns under contract, his 4th guy\u00a0<strong>Ross Detwiler<\/strong> on the mend, with Jordan penciled into the 5th starter and with the likes of\u00a0<strong>Nathan Karns,\u00a0<\/strong><strong>Taylor Hill<\/strong>, and <strong>Caleb Clay<\/strong> providing the first line of reinforcements in AAA.<\/p>\n<p>So I predict the Giants will not offer him a qualifying offer, thus cutting ties with one of their most iconic players in the last 25 years. \u00a0It will be a sad time in San Francisco head-shops everywhere.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>An interesting question was posed in an ESPN chat a while ago that I made a note on to come back to. Should the Giants offer\u00a0Tim Lincecum a qualifying offer, or just cut him loose without any compensation ties this coming off season? \u00a0And a better question: if you were a GM looking for pitching [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,3],"tags":[209,1694,983,321,1931,1932,42,213,437,729,129,456,196,51,197,24,316],"class_list":["post-7321","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-nonnatsbaseball","category-mlbpitching","tag-barry-zito","tag-caleb-clay","tag-dan-haren","tag-freddie-garcia","tag-garrett-hooe","tag-gavin-floyd","tag-jason-marquis","tag-joe-blanton","tag-joe-saunders","tag-jorge-de-la-rosa","tag-mike-rizzo","tag-mike-trout","tag-nathan-karns","tag-ross-detwiler","tag-taylor-hill","tag-taylor-jordan","tag-tim-lincecum"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7321","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=7321"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7321\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":7444,"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7321\/revisions\/7444"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=7321"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=7321"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.nationalsarmrace.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=7321"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}